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"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko) 03/19/2020 at 21:48 • Filed to: None

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Cruise line companies should not be getting bailouts. Fuck them. Giant floating cities that pollute more than actual cites. These hotbeds of disease should be banished from the earth.

Nibby > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:53

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McMike > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:54

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BuT tHiNk Of ThE eMpLoYeEs!!!!

:)  it’s something to consider, but I’m with you.    Cruises are silly to me, and pollute more than a bazillion rush hours.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > McMike 03/19/2020 at 21:55

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Fuck’em they’ll find other jobs 

VincentMalamute-Kim > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:56

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Someone pointed out how all of the ships fly foreign flags to avoid taxes and minimum wage laws.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:57

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Yes, but river cruises can stay imo.

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:57

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Fun story, nox is a global cooling agent (binds to atmospheric methane) and global shipping (including cruises) are believed to be net global coolers as it removes more greenhouse effect than it adds.

Boxer_4 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:57

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I’ve never seen the appeal. Meanwhile, a coworker of mine decided not to cancel a scheduled cruise, well after all of this started. He now has 3 weeks off instead of 1...

someassemblyrequired > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:59

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Why anyone would want to sit on a stanky-ass boat cheek-by-jowl with People of Walmart rejects when they could fly there for less money is beyond my comprehension.

someassemblyrequired > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 21:59

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[duplicate] Thanks Kinja! You’re still better than a cruise though...

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > McMike 03/19/2020 at 22:03

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Most of the crew aren’t americans

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:05

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I say, fuck the airlines and the cruise lines.  The whole vacation industry is shitty.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Boxer_4 03/19/2020 at 22:05

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Smart guy!...wait, no.

SmugAardvark > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:06

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Fine by me. My idea of a vacation is to go somewhere and do something on my terms. Not to be stuck on a floating cesspool with thousands of others.

wafflesnfalafel > Nibby 03/19/2020 at 22:08

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I’ll bet Greta would enjoy one of those Scandinavian Fjord cruises.... hang out on the lido deck, all the beer you can drink...  

VW Max > HammerheadFistpunch 03/19/2020 at 22:11

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So you’re saying that my TDI does not only emit less C02 than a comparable gasoline powered car but  also helps fight global warming because of all the NOx?

ranwhenparked > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:16

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I’m a big fan, but not the way its been done. I don’t want to take a vacation on a giant floating apartment block, wedged in line for fast food with a bunch of sweaty fat guys in sleeveless shirts.

The older style - smaller and more tastefully designed ships with lower passenger density/higher crew:passenger ratio, less amenities, but higher quality food and service that didn’t nickel and dime you for extras? Yeah, I’d take that. Viking Ocean and Oceania are pretty much the only ones still like that.

For what you’d pay to stay at an equivalent hotel (airfare to/from, ground transportation, nightly room rate, 3 meals a day, any other entertainment) on land, its the best vacation value that exists.

Also, these companies are publicly traded. Most of us are invested in them through our 401ks and 403bs, and the bulk of their shoreside employees are in the US. Though, I do have little sympathy in general for shipping companies that flag overseas to avoid taxes, livable wages, and regs, then want to appeal to the US and other 1st world states for help and protection. Flag of convenience countries like Panama, Malta, and Liberia do not take proper responsibility for what is legall y their sovereign territory floating around the world. 

facw > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:34

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Good take in my opinion. Especially since they are generally happy to use foreign holding companies and flags of convenience to avoid US jurisdiction whenever it suits them.  

PatBateman > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:35

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Bailout on the terms that every new ship that comes online from now on gets much more efficient propulsion systems.

Give ‘em the money, but keep the strings attached.

ETA: They must fuel up in the US, with fuel sourced from the US. 

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Boxer_4 03/19/2020 at 22:42

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I have a friend whose cancelled cruise stranded him and his family in Puerto Rico.

thatsmr > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:46

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These dullard abominations only exist because people have money to spend. Those who already have plenty to spend should keep on spending it. Those who need help should get help. 

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 22:54

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They're really sleazy companies too. Doing weird things and not registering in the States to avoid paying employees and taxes. We shouldnt bail them out. And if we bail out Boeing, the public should own them. 

XJDano > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/19/2020 at 23:07

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Been there done that. They are dead to me now. I was not impressed.

facw > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 03/19/2020 at 23:36

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No good reason to own Boeing long term, but I agree that if we have to bail them out we should wipe out the current shareholders and then do an IPO for “new Boeing .” to recoup some of our losses from the bailout.

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 03/20/2020 at 03:49

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You skipped quite a bit there. NOx is highly reactive and forms products with both cooling and warming effects. The NOx from ships can form hydoxyl radicals, which do oxidize methane. However, it also forms tropospheric ozone (greenhouse gas and pollutant) acid rain (indirect greenhouse effect and pollutant) and a few carcinogenic compounds.

The paper I read that claimed ships were net coolers was conducted by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development which ain’t exactly a scientific organization. It was also just an eight page analysis.

I doubt too many atmospheric scientists would consider them net coolers, especially when you look at everything outside of emissions.

DipodomysDeserti > VW Max 03/20/2020 at 03:50

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NOx also produces greenhouse gases, and is more likely to do so over  land than water. Also the whole acid rain and smog thing.

DipodomysDeserti > PatBateman 03/20/2020 at 03:57

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Bail them out, but they have to take all the old s on a year long quarantine cruise so the rest of us can back to our lives.

Grindintosecond > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 03/20/2020 at 10:54

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Its an elective surgery. Not necessary, like a major transportation system necessary to everyday commerce such as trucking, trains,  airlines. Cruise liners don't do shit but travel a great circle and drop off who they picked up. No contribution to commerce, purely for fleecing customers.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 03/20/2020 at 11:01

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to be clear, im not claiming its anything but a mixed blessing at best.

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 03/20/2020 at 11:13

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Personally, I’d take a warmer earth over acid rain and increased ozone in my breathing air. There are pollutant control devices used to take NOx out of emissions. One really cool one involves the use of algae, which also pull CO2 out of the atmosphere.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 03/20/2020 at 11:26

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Im also a huge proponent of focusing the next wave of environmental controls being industrial processes and global shipping.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > facw 03/20/2020 at 23:01

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Oh absolutely not long term. That would be awful. And would probably end up like that weird public transit problem where they privatize the gains and the people take the losses.